Actually, I kinda take that back. Their getting crazy numbers out of the Brutes. Numbers that I dont think the Outty's are ever going to get with all the sensors and computer crap that jammed in the Outlander. But as far as a everyday rider or one that is mildly built, you cant beat it. The Outlanders are so comfortable and smooth, with real good power. I still say its the best machine made, period!!!!