ATV RECORDS

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RDZ Racing

Discussion Starter · Oct 9, 2010

I am putting together an atv record page to go on my website,atvdra,planet asphalt, and hopefully banshee HQ. This will be for sand/dirt, 1/8 mile & 1/4 mile. If u guy's have any input or good idea's lets hear them. My website guy is working on it now so it wont be long. If u have a record let me know. http://www.rdzracing.com/New_RDZ_Racing_Record_Wall_of_Fame_Page.htm

I dont know who owns this site but if your interested you can post the record pages on here. Let me know.

Thanks

Rob

RDZ Racing

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2slo4u

· #21 · Oct 14, 2010

i know that Jason menz (jmenz) has had his 397cc LIMITED cub run a 3.63 and a pile of 3.70 passes at LEERJAK. the same bike that won the east coas PS drags classes 0-400,0-475,0-550

Goodsound

· #22 · Oct 14, 2010

Forcefed said:
I can appreciate what you are trying to do Rob ... I really do --- but, I have to agree - Nitro in a limited class, even if it is 2-stroke ... imo - No way .... I personally, have seen gains.

Backed up within 4 days ? Why 4 ?

IMO - records should only count in qualifying & eliminations ... not test - n- tune.

If you truely want to take the atv drag racing records to the next step - you might reconsider weight limits & density altitude corrections.

So is video a mandatory "rule" or just a good idea ?

You asked for input & that is just mine.

I agree whole heartedly...is that a word LOL?? Dont get me wrong, Im not complaining or crying. I appreciate your efforts to take the initiative to want to recognize peoples hard work, Rob. Unlike others, and we all know who that is LOL. But no other sport recognizes stats or records during practice. If records are recognized during practice or tnt, then whats the point of racing and competing? I mean, this is still drag racing, isnt it???

But like Chris said, that is just my perspective and input. What ever you decide to do, I applaud and respect your decision.

RDZ Racing

Discussion Starter · #23 · Oct 14, 2010

Goodsound said:
I agree whole heartedly...is that a word LOL?? Dont get me wrong, Im not complaining or crying. I appreciate your efforts to take the initiative to want to recognize peoples hard work, Rob. Unlike others, and we all know who that is LOL. But no other sport recognizes stats or records during practice. If records are recognized during practice or tnt, then whats the point of racing and competing? I mean, this is still drag racing, isnt it???

But like Chris said, that is just my perspective and input. What ever you decide to do, I applaud and respect your decision.

Ok here's the way i look at it. You have a big event bracket racing etc. After its all done what does everybody want to know? Who ran how fast w/ what bike... if your a bracket racer guy great bracket race then. I'm into setting records thats what drives me... I'm not trying to sound like an ahole and please dont take it that way. If someone is faster an me thats awsome i get excited because i know i have more work to do. There is a big differance in typing and talking to someone. My wife was texting someone the other day and the guy took it the wrong way and told her off. She cryed for an hour. he was a friend. if you want to call me that would be great.

RDZ Racing

Discussion Starter · #24 · Oct 14, 2010

2slo4u said:
i know that Jason menz (jmenz) has had his 397cc LIMITED cub run a 3.63 and a pile of 3.70 passes at LEERJAK. the same bike that won the east coas PS drags classes 0-400,0-475,0-550

I talked to jason and have all his info. So he will be holding the record in alot of classes. The bar is set high.

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Forcefed

· #25 · Oct 14, 2010

You are way right in the fuzzyness of implied intent through text ... can be impossible at times.

My [censored] hat is off to you Rob for your efforts in this matter - lord knows you have been through alot of trials & tribs concerning record setting.

Way to recognize Menz's efforts & achievements ... dude is way fast, way legit & currently the guy to beat in that particular class.

I'll roll with whatever ... but agree to disagree with a few things concerning record setting.

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dylan

· #26 · Oct 14, 2010

r&r performance said:
doesnt make sense why there are 4 stroke stock frame classes and not 2 stroke. yes you can get a stock frame light, but its still not a rigid drag chassis, extended 12 inches out the front, etc. jus my opinion,

Because 4 strokes have a set of rules & classes and their own race is put on twice a year @ Outlaw, and now there's a couple other tracks that are following the same format. That's what the racers wanted so Eric stepped up and made it happen. Not everyone has to follow the planetsand format. If you want 2 stroke oem frame classes, you'll have to put on your own show. JMO of course.

Forcefed

· #27 · Oct 14, 2010

Amen - couldn't agree more Dylan. When up against a wall, the 4-strokes got done what was needed on their own accord.

R&R Performance

· #28 · Oct 14, 2010

dylan said:
Because 4 strokes have a set of rules & classes and their own race is put on twice a year @ Outlaw, and now there's a couple other tracks that are following the same format. That's what the racers wanted so Eric stepped up and made it happen. Not everyone has to follow the planetsand format. If you want 2 stroke oem frame classes, you'll have to put on your own show. JMO of course.

Just may very well do that

RDZ Racing

Discussion Starter · #29 · Oct 14, 2010

Forcefed said:
You are way right in the fuzzyness of implied intent through text ... can be impossible at times.

My [censored] hat is off to you Rob for your efforts in this matter - lord knows you have been through alot of trials & tribs concerning record setting.

Way to recognize Menz's efforts & achievements ... dude is way fast, way legit & currently the guy to beat in that particular class.

I'll roll with whatever ... but agree to disagree with a few things concerning record setting.

Let me know what u guy's think. Should jason's 400cc hold the record in the higher cc classes or just the 400

dajogejr

· #30 · Oct 14, 2010

If Jason's bike ran record numbers when he was actually racing in those classes, then absolutely hell yes IMO.

That's the ultimate pat on the back for a job well done...taking down bigger motors with a smaller one.

I don't think a single person would say boo...and it'll make them shoot harder.

However...I think we may be missing the boat.

Without a universal sanctioning structure and class rules, this sport will never advance.

Which...means real tech inspections and weight rules....

Any other motor sport has 'em. If we want to grow, we'll have to have 'em too.

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snowmobilefrk07

· #31 · Oct 14, 2010

dajogejr said:
If Jason's bike ran record numbers when he was actually racing in those classes, then absolutely hell yes IMO.

That's the ultimate pat on the back for a job well done...taking down bigger motors with a smaller one.

I don't think a single person would say boo...and it'll make them shoot harder.

However...I think we may be missing the boat.

Without a universal sanctioning structure and class rules, this sport will never advance.

Which...means real tech inspections and weight rules....

Any other motor sport has 'em. If we want to grow, we'll have to have 'em too.

i agree 100% with the fact that there needs to be a set of "universal" rules set. although there will need to be differences between different forms of the racing. example, heads up, and tracks that use a dial in time. I am all for everything good that will come of the "records list" as it would seem to get the large companies to have something to push or strive for and get them back to building record bikes for their own advertisement. and we would really get a chance to see how competitive our sport truly is.

RDZ Racing

Discussion Starter · #32 · Oct 14, 2010

We are building the rules now w/ all the input but i dont think there's going to be a weight limit. there would have to be a tech guy w/ all the stuff at every race.

dajogejr

· #33 · Oct 14, 2010

If the tech guy has the ability to check a motor for cc, fuel, etc., then they should have a scale...

Why don't you dig in those deep pockets Rob and buy a scale for the MI tracks...

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Forcefed

· #34 · Oct 14, 2010

+1 on Menz ... if he can bump up AND set that record ... it's his.

This is not directed towards Menz as some may be trying to link them together & while we are being civil ...

IMO - an atv drag racing record will NEVER carry as much weight with the public as it could without a form of weight implementation.

We got a timing system at every track ... why not a scale ?

Honestly though, been talking about the power/weight ratio for 8 yrs now & don't expect it to happen anytime soon. .. but if you/we REALLY ... REALLY wanted to take this to the next level ... then it HAS to be adressed. . . . it's the other main 50% of the equation

Eric Oldham made a HUGE stride & advance in the 4-stroke side of the sport with his fuel testing at Outlaw ... someone just needs to take it another step.

(I know, easier said than done) - but my hats off to you for the attempt.

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Goodsound

· #35 · Oct 15, 2010

RDZ Racing said:
Ok here's the way i look at it. You have a big event bracket racing etc. After its all done what does everybody want to know? Who ran how fast w/ what bike... if your a bracket racer guy great bracket race then. I'm into setting records thats what drives me... I'm not trying to sound like an ahole and please dont take it that way. If someone is faster an me thats awsome i get excited because i know i have more work to do. There is a big differance in typing and talking to someone. My wife was texting someone the other day and the guy took it the wrong way and told her off. She cryed for an hour. he was a friend. if you want to call me that would be great.

Nope nope nope, Im totally cool with everything, and I know your not trying to be an a-hole. IMO, what we have here is a really good start to a really good records format. Lets keep it going!!

Goodsound

· #36 · Oct 15, 2010

dajogejr said:
If Jason's bike ran record numbers when he was actually racing in those classes, then absolutely hell yes IMO.

That's the ultimate pat on the back for a job well done...taking down bigger motors with a smaller one.

I don't think a single person would say boo...and it'll make them shoot harder.

However...I think we may be missing the boat.

Without a universal sanctioning structure and class rules, this sport will never advance.

Which...means real tech inspections and weight rules....

Any other motor sport has 'em. If we want to grow, we'll have to have 'em too.

Completely agree!!!

tripledsracing

· #37 · Oct 15, 2010

ive always been against the weight issue but whats gonna end up happening is peps are gonna build frames so light to be able to compete and they are gonna be dangerous to race,and ive seen a few frames that are scary to just look at let alone race all year,but if there aint a weight limit they need to actually do inspections and i mean true inspections and not just pass em because of who they are!..or id say its gonna get ugly when someone ends up hurt or even killed..jmo..but im all for the weight limit if the frames keep getting stupid dangerous but if u are competitive and most are,you either gotta lighten your frame beyond safty or get beat and who likes to get beat!..I DONT!..

dajogejr

· #38 · Oct 15, 2010

Between the bike and riders' age it should be regulated.

A 12 year old 90lb kid has NO business on a 120HP or so bike going 3 seconds.

Period.

That's kid's life and well being are way more important than any number.

I think it should be 16 or older to go faster than 4.5.

18 or older to go faster than 4.0.

Just my opinion....and I know at any age at any time things can go wrong...but there are limits and safe ways of doing things.

With age generally comes experience, not just "no fear"...

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Forcefed

· #39 · Oct 15, 2010

tripledsracing said:
..but im all for the weight limit if the frames keep getting stupid dangerous but if u are competitive and most are,you either gotta lighten your frame beyond safty or get beat and who likes to get beat!..I DONT!..

Is there a safety aspect ... yes but, I wasn't refering to that when mentioning weight. You don't have to get beat if your heavier than the competition ...

The weight thing Dave isn't about getting beat necc. - but rather being able to make an accurate comparison between potential record holders ... 2nd case in point being Density Altitude.

Of course those are under ideal conditions ... we are only working with 1 of the 3 main factors of drag racing in regards to record holding. Engine size. Weight & Air quality being the other 2 .. feel me ?

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tripledsracing

· #40 · Oct 17, 2010

Forcefed said:
Is there a safety aspect ... yes but, I wasn't refering to that when mentioning weight. You don't have to get beat if your heavier than the competition ...

The weight thing Dave isn't about getting beat necc. - but rather being able to make an accurate comparison between potential record holders ... 2nd case in point being Density Altitude.

Of course those are under ideal conditions ... we are only working with 1 of the 3 main factors of drag racing in regards to record holding. Engine size. Weight & Air quality being the other 2 .. feel me ?

lol..yea sorta..but if it betters are sport then im for it all the way...

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