I cant get pancake bearing to work

QUOTE (RagunCajun @ May 7 2009, 09:14 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=41718please refer to the picture below with numbered parts to help me and other understand what you are talking about. I will do the same because im not sure of the exact names of certain parts. Thanks. The picture is all parts apart but are layed out how i assembled them in order.

http://rc.superdave2u.com/MyBanshee/slings...e5%205-7-09.JPG

Ok guys, ill try to make it short and sweet. I welded my ball to the rod a couple weeks ago. Stupid me goes put the same damage ball and pushrod back in there but i added a pancake bearing. Fast forward to a few days and the push rod gets welded to the clutch actuator. So i had to split the cases and get it out.

Fast forward to about an hour ago. I seen why my pancake bearing didnt work. It's suppose to spin freely and it doesnt spin at all. It has a very strong bind on it when assembled. When i tighten the nut(5), the whole assembly doesnt spin at all. It creates a bind. I understand maybe i can not tighten it down as much but how would i be able to adjust it right and keep it from backing out?

These are pictures of it assembled.
http://rc.superdave2u.com/MyBanshee/slings...e1%205-7-09.JPG
http://rc.superdave2u.com/MyBanshee/slings...e2%205-7-09.JPG

I got the cheap pancake bearing with just the pancake bearing and the washer(3) . I had it installed w/o the washer(3). But now i see it doesnt make a difference as far as i could tell. I know cascade makes a set up for $45ish but what i have should work. The only reason that it wouldnt is because maybe i have a lockup.

Can someone tell me what i am doing wrong? I can put it all back together like this but w/o that pancake bearing doing it's job, i will be back to welded things together. I do have an override so this is something i need.

On a side note, it's a pain in the butt to have to keep flipping the bike on it's side. Damn slingshot works like a charm but i never thought about having to keep flipping it on it's side everytime i wanna take the plate off.

Your setup is totally different than mine but looking at the pictures it looks like maybe you need to ditch the washer labeled #4. My bearing also came with a new threaded collar but I do not have a washer on the outside of my preasure plate.

QUOTE (RagunCajun @ May 7 2009, 10:10 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=41724If i take that washer out behind the nut, it would still apply force and bind up things i believe.

I just got off the phone twice with Vito's i believe i confused both guys i talked to. I think(not certain) the last one i talked to said i will have to round out the hex in the plate where the bearings go(between 3 and 4). But that wouldnt solve the issue because when i tighten up everyything it will not spin freely i believe. And that would screw up the entire plate if i did that. That cant be what he meant. There's no way he meant that.

Perhaps he meant round the hexes on part #1 in the picture above. I did that but perhaps it's not rounded good enough. Ahhh this is confusing. I just cant figure out how to righten the nut down w/o putting too much of a bind on everything else. That pancake bearing has to turn or it's pointless. At the same time that nut has to be tight or there's no way it will keep the clutch adjsuted properly.

i think i see your problem.
for the pressure plate (your slingshot assbembly) to move freely, the nut, hehe (item #5)
should be comming in contact with the collar (item #1). remove the washer (item #4) and
see if the nut is able to come in contact with the collar.
i have the cascade adjuster and it is made differently. i know the collar is different.
also, i do not have a washer behind the nut.
on mine.

QUOTE (Kawiking @ May 14 2009, 08:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=42606did u get ur cascade one in ,bro ?
Oh i deeply apologize for not following up. I hate when people dont fallow up after a problem.

I had a thrust bearing from vito's sent to me. It's basically identical to Cascade's pancake bearing. As Kaos said, it extends past the pressure plate so when i tighten the adjuster nut up, it squeezes to the adjust housing, not the pressure plate leaving it free to spin.

I ended up welding the rod in the engine. I had to split the cases. Then because i split them upside down leaving the top end on, i put the shift forks in the wrong channels. Stupid me didnt spin the shaft the front sprocket goes on to make sure it spins free. I figured it out when the bike was COMPLETELY done and i was putting the chain on. I was not happy.

But now it works perfect. Pulled the clutch in many times and no more welding anything. Thanks! Now i need fix my other issue as stated in my other thread. Much thanks guys!